Ah, the 2017 Civic. Honda is certainly putting a lot of attention back to the compact car segment because it’s a winner in every sense of the word. It’s sleek, well packaged, and ten times more thought of than the model it replaces. And while the vast majority of attention has been taken over by the RS Turbo, the base variant, the 1.8 E, deserves more likes, mentions, and shares. Why? Because it’s actually the better value of the two Civic variants.
Getting to the heart of the matter, the Civic 1.8 E offers surprisingly good pace. Though the 1.8-liter normally aspirated four-cylinder carried over from the previous Civic and shared with the HR-V don’t exactly shout “sporty performance”, you’ll be hard-pressed to notice 90 percent of the time. Despite being paired with a potentially fun-sapping CVT, there’s actually power even from the low-end. Whether you’re just tapping lightly or burying the throttle halfway, the Civic goes from stoplight to stoplight, Makati intersection to Makati intersection with ease and smoothness. Even when you find yourself cruising on the expressway, you’ll wonder why you’ll have pay for the additional premium for that turbocharged engine.
It’s only when you get to the last 10 percent where the 141 horsepower output starts to feel, well, slow. Floor the throttle or command an overtaking maneuver and you can imagine the engine telling you: “Seriously? You want me to do what?” a split-second before the CVT shuttles its ratios and drones the heck out of the engine. The engine’s sweet spot is so narrow that anything close to spirited driving produces this result. Paddle shifters would have helped, but there’s nada on this Civic. Meanwhile, turning off the ECON gives more punch at the expense of smoothness (the CVT tends to hold revs long). Still, tune into your more practical side and the 1.8 E does 8.78 km/L—some 15 percent better mileage than the RS Turbo in heavy traffic.
Apart from improving the riding comfort, the Civic also has good road manners. The steering ratio can and will take you by surprise, especially when executing parking maneuvers, but it gifts this big-sized Civic agility. Enter into a curve and it turns obediently. Some body roll is built into the chassis, necessitating a small steering correction, but the Civic still manages to conduct itself neatly. Thankfully, that agility doesn’t make the Civic more tiring to drive. As the speeds go up, the steering and suspension tightens up making it comfortable long distance cruiser as well. If there’s one complaint, it’s the lack of driver feedback. Though there are touches of brilliance here and there, it feels disconnected most of the time.
Although enthusiasts will surely clamor for more driving feedback, there’s no question that the Civic’s an ergonomic delight. The 1.8 E loses the convenience of the powered driver’s seat, but that’s no big thing. Finding the most comfortable driving position is easy thanks to the multitude of adjustments to the seats and steering column. The seats themselves feel less supportive than the leather ones in the RS Turbo, but they offer enough bolstering and support to withstand hours in traffic nonetheless. Visibility is also good, most especially so in the front where the thin A-pillars and hood bulges (that act as corner markers) make slotting the Civic in and out of tight spaces easy.
Now, if there’s one thing Honda should consider improving, it’s the addition of physical buttons or controls for the audio. It’s a step up for them to do so with the climate control, but adding rotary knobs or at least tactile physical buttons to the volume at least would have made things a lot less complicated. As it is, the touchscreen feels slightly laggy and the electrostatic volume control on the steering wheel doesn’t help either.
Style-wise the dashboard is laid out for easy operation rather than outright style. Materials as well as fit and finish have been upped from before, but there are still pockets of hard plastics poking out here and there. Overall, the cabin feels durable and well-wearing though there are some bits like the interior door handles that show noticeable paint chipping and this particular unit has done less than 4,000 kilometers. That criticism aside, all’s well in here: there’s an abundance of room for both front and rear occupants while also offering good storage for items like sunglasses, loose change, and even smartphones. There’s just one cup holder upfront, but again you’re supposed to be driving a car, not drinking in it.
Being the entry-level variant, the 1.8 E has less equipment compared to the flagship RS Turbo. That’s a given. But surprisingly, you’re not feeling robbed in anyway. With the exception of a leather steering wheel, which should have been standard in 2017, it’s still got automatic climate control, full-colored TFT gauges with animations and stuff, automatic LED headlights, cruise control, and an Android-based touchscreen infotainment system with Bluetooth and smartphone mirroring.
Plus, almost a year on after its Philippine launch, the Civic remains a head turner. Though some have criticized the design to be fussy, with a mismatched front and rear end, it’s still unique and eye-catching. The design also manages to play up the size advantage, exaggerating its girth, especially the length and width. The front does well to project elegance thanks to its wide, confident face and a chrome solid wing grille that’s been pushed out to the edges. Meanwhile, at the back, it’s sporty with its fastback roofline and C-shaped taillights. Say what you want about the design, but there’s no doubt that this Civic commands your attention.
Although most new Civic buyers would surely wish to have an RS Turbo parked in their garage, the 1.8 E is more than enough car. Unlike other base variants, it actually feels like a complete package. Stuck in the confines of city traffic, this base model Civic performs just as well as its sportier, turbocharged sibling. And even if you occasionally need to go up Baguio or go down to Batangas, this car is more than capable. With a solid foundation and good equipment, it surely doesn’t feel scrimped down. This is the every man’s Civic, our Civic.
2017 Honda Civic
1.8 E
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| Ownership | 2017 Honda Civic 1.8 E |
| Year Introduced | 2016 |
| Vehicle Classification | Compact Sedan |
| The Basics | |
| Body Type | 4-door Sedan |
| Seating | 5 |
| Engine / Drive | F/F |
| Under the Hood | |
| Displacement (liters) | 1.8 |
| Aspiration | Normally Aspirated |
| Fuel Delivery | EFI |
| Layout / # of Cylinders | I4 |
| BHP @ rpm | 141 @ 6,500 |
| Nm @ rpm | 174 @ 4,300 |
| Fuel / Min. Octane | Gasoline / 91~ |
| Transmission | CVT |
| Cruise Control | Yes |
| Fuel Economy @ Ave. Speed | 8.78 km/L @ 16 km/h |
| Dimensions and Weights | |
| Length (mm) | 4,633 |
| Width (mm) | 1,799 |
| Height (mm) | 1,416 |
| Wheelbase (mm) | 2,700 |
| Curb Weight (kg) | 1,239 |
| Suspension and Tires | |
| Front Suspension | Independent, MacPherson Strut |
| Rear Suspension | Independent, Multi-link |
| Front Brakes | Vented Disc |
| Rear Brakes | Disc |
| Tires | Hankook Ventus S1 Noble 2 215/55 R 16 H (f & r) |
| Wheels | Alloy |
| Safety Features | |
| Airbags | 2 |
| Anti-Lock Brakes (ABS) | Yes |
| Traction / Stability Control | Yes |
| Parking Sensors | No, with Reverse Camera |
| Other Safety Features | No |
| Exterior Features | |
| Headlights | LED |
| Fog Lamps | Yes, Front |
| Auto Lights | Yes |
| Rain-sensing Wipers | No |
| Interior Features | |
| Steering Wheel Adjust | Tilt/Telescopic |
| Steering Wheel Material | Urethane |
| Seating Adjustment | Manual |
| Seating Surface | Fabric |
| Folding Rear Seat | Yes, 60/40 |
| On-Board Computer | Yes |
| Convenience Features | |
| Power Steering | Yes |
| Power Door Locks | Yes |
| Power Windows | Yes |
| Power Mirrors | Yes |
| Climate Control | Yes |
| Audio System | Stereo CD MP3 USB Bluetooth HDMI |
| # of Speakers | 6 |
| Steering Controls | Yes |
for this price, or rather get the highest trim honda city.
ReplyDeleteNope.
DeleteYep. Nope.
DeleteThere's a noticeable knocking sound when you cold start the car. At least for the 1.8 E. I've tried other cars from the dealer too and they also had it. Also, there's an on and off rattling sound coming from the front doors when driving on a rough surface. Hope to see if other owners have this as well.
ReplyDeleteThe knocking sound upon start up could just be the intakes/exhaust going up to operating temperature? As long as it disappears it's fine.
DeleteAs for the rattling sound...even the demo unit had that. The rattling though didn't come from the doors, more like the dashboard on the left (driver's) side.
Thanks for the prompt response Ulysses! The knocking sound disappears when the engine is warm already. Also when you start the engine when it's warm you don't hear the sound. When I compared it to the other new civics at the casa they also sounded the same. Slight knocking when the engine is warm only when the hood is up or at the top of the hood where it meets the windshield but I guess that's the normal sound of the engine already. Louder knocking on a cold start that goes faster if you press on the gas.
DeleteSame rattling sound on mine. The front doors also produce a rattling tin can like sound. Honda tried to adjust the door stopper and if it's loose the rattling sound is almost continuous and they just tightened it and the sound disappeared. Don't want them to open the lining first though since it's still new.
thats what the CivicX PH calls the woodpecker sound. accdg to them, seems like its coming from the VSC module. i saw it when i tried researchin on the car since i almost bought one.
DeleteExactly sounds like a woodpecker in action!! Do you have a link to that forum? I've been reading the 70+ page forum of civicx about it but it's from the US, I think, though no fix was given except from one user from Thailand who said something with the transmission was replaced. Frustrating to hear that Honda doesn't know about this.
DeleteWould have been nice if they brought in the hatchback.
ReplyDeleteHi Uly, im planning to get my first car this month. How does this variant go against the 2017 mazda 1.5 skyactiv and the 2.0 variant?
ReplyDeleteMazda 3 1.5 < Honda Civic 1.8 < Mazda 3 2.0. The 80k difference between the Mazda 3 2.0 and the Civic 1.8 is well worth it, look at the specs, equipment, and add the Yojin 3 to that.
Delete155k difference. As per checking with their SRPs in this site.
DeletePersonally, I'd rank them as:
Delete1. Mazda3 Speed
2. Mazda3 2.0 R
3. Honda Civic RS
4. Honda Civic 1.8 E
5. Mazda 3 1.5 V
^Best ranking ever.
DeleteThe only letdown in the Mazda 3 is that awfully useless navigation sd card.
DeleteYou forgot to talk about the Android Auto and Apple Carplay integration. I recon those features should be taken into consideration also.
ReplyDeleteTalked about those features in a review with the RS. Since I don't have Android Auto or CarPlay installed, I cannot comment on how it works. Bummer though that MirrorLink turns itself off when you're moving. You can only access maps, etc. when the car is in Park and the handbrake engaged.
DeleteI decided to get the Civic over the Mazda because of this. They should make it 'officially' available for download and use here in the country.
Deletethere's a bypass now available to have mirrorlink working even if you're moving :)
Deleteunpopular opinion but on stop and go and driving up a mountain road on really tight corners, this feels livelier than the RS. on the RS, engine response of the CVT 1.5 is slow and weak, before the boost kicks in, mabagal siya. so on tight corners where there are lots of braking, matagal pumalo ung boost.
ReplyDeleteyou're expecting an ALS from a cheap Japanese car? lol
DeleteThis is anything but cheap
DeleteHonda and Toyota PH overprices their products and skimps on equipment and quality due to the strong cult followers which will buy a Honda or Toyota even if there are better options.
Deletedumbass, did i say it should have an ALS? the comment was just a comparison between the RS and the 1.8. due to the turbo lag on the RS, on certain roads, the 1.8 feels livelier. that was a simple statement.
Deleteto correct your statement "...expecting an ALS from a mass produced car?"
then why do you whine about the turbo lag?
Deleteexpecting the turbo to be passive? lol
dumbass.
Ully for the 1.8e is it all colours are available? Or pay extra for other colors. Thanks
ReplyDeleteCosmic Blue Metallic, Midnight Burgundy Pearl, Lunar Silver Metallic, White Orchid Pearl, Rallye Red, and Modern Steel Metallic.
DeleteYou pay extra for the White Orchid Pearl.
Does this civic come with a "sequential" mode like the Altis 1.6V?
ReplyDeleteNo sequential mode.
DeleteSir uly how would you compare the all new subaru impreza vs civic 1.8? Would you recommend taking the civic for those who are budget conscious or would you rather ask them to save more money for the later car. Thanks a lot.
ReplyDeleteWell, there's a big price gap between the all-new Impreza (P 1.380M) and this particular Civic 1.8 E (1.093M).
DeleteIf I had a budget that tops off at P 1.1M, I'd actually go for the Civic 1.8 E. I'd skip the Mazda3 1.5 V and even the HR-V.
However, once you bring up the budget to P 1.4M, the choice becomes harder. The RS as it is, is just too expensive for the features that you get. That's why I consider the Mazda3 2.0 to be the better value in that bracket. The Impreza will also be there at the top or near the top (a full test drive is needed), because it's packed with tech.
So now, I throw the question back to you: what's your budget and are you going financing or cash payment?
Thank you sir. Will look forward to your impreza test drive 1st. My budget is around 1.1mish however if impreza is the best choice then i might save some more bucks. Thanks!
DeleteHi speaking of cash payment! is that any fix percentage discount or it depends on the dealer.
ReplyDeleteFrom my experience, it depends on the dealer, but as much as possible, pay it in cash. You'll get a discount and not pay any interest. Some sneaky dealers offer discounts with a financing scheme, wherein the interest is a greater than the discount given, example, they give you a discount of 40k, but your total financing payment has an additional interest of 150k on top of the srp price, lol.
DeleteHonda usually gives a 10k cash discount,but its best to shop around between dealerships as some can give more than others. Do check too for seasonal discounts - if you're not too keen to have the freshest models, some dealers give extra discount to get rid of the old stocks.
DeleteHi... Im planning to get this car soon... i just wanna know what is the difference between civic modulo 1.8e and this base model of civic? which one is better and worth to buy? thanks.
ReplyDeletePlease take time to read the specs or brochures from Hondaphil website.
DeleteFrom there you can spot the difference.
Gusto mo kasi isusubo lahat sa iyo...kulang na lang ngunguyain!
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Deleteanyway i don't care about your feelings. its not spoon feeding. i've done reading the brochures pumunta pa ako ng honda dealer shop to see it personally but i cannot tell the difference between the two variant. since hindi naman ako EXPERT kagaya mo... and which one is worth to buy. that's why im here asking ULY for his guidance. because he knows alot more than i do. magtatanog pa ba ako kung alam ko na lahat? gago din to eh noh. nagmamayabang ng wala sa lugar. hindi naman porket nabasa mo na alam mo na lahat. mababasa mo ba sa brochures makikita mo ba sa hondaphil website about the Pros and Cons? Advantages and disadvantages? of course not...
DeleteThe Modulo package is basically a body kit. You can live without it. Unless... You really want a bit more style.
Deleteso overall there's no difference between the two variants when it comes to performance? Thanks ULY!!
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DeleteMy apologies. Sorry po.
DeleteI agree Sir Uly would be of help, as always.
Peace!
The modulo variant is just the 1.8 E with a bodykit. Other than that, it's exactly the same.
DeleteNo difference in performance.
DeleteConfirmed AutoActiv is pedicab driver and sometimes carwash boy gets car talks ideas from the cutomers
DeleteDi bagay sa yo Ang civic RS...mag commute ka Muna Wala ka namang Alam sa car
DeleteThe RS Turbo is a much better buy except for the Fuel Consumption. Good luck!
DeleteAgree with Anon1:59. If you got budget, try adding a small amount and get the ultimate RS Turbo. In that case, you will not come to a point in time where you will regret why you didn't get the Top Of The Line. This is the cause of repentance and regrets into the minds and hearts of buyers that haunts them in their night sleep until the day they have saved enough money to buy again a new car. Goodluck and Godbless!
DeleteSana may manual variant review. Shift Stick FTW! :D
ReplyDeletewalang manual here in Pinas. good luck in waiting po.
DeleteAsk lang po
ReplyDelete1. fc ng 1.8 variant new honda civic?
2. Honda city cvt vx fc? Alin pp kaya mas matipid?newbee
Fuel consumption of the 1.8 E is in the story.
DeleteAs for City 1.5, check it out here:
http://www.carguide.ph/2015/12/5-reasons-why-honda-city-is-great-first.html
8.78 is city driving or hi way?thank you
ReplyDelete16 km/h... That's all city but that includes light traffic (Sunday) as well.
DeleteHi Sir ULY, just to clarify po, 16 km per liter po ba sa city driving (with traffic)? Any suggestions po which type of petrol to use? Caltex / Petron / Shell? Unleaded or others for maximum fuel efficiency and cleaner engine? Hopefully will be able to buy one next month and will be my first car po thanks
DeleteAverage speed of 16 km/h.
DeleteOur fuel consumption was 8.78 km/L.
ASk lang po sir. Mahal po ba maintenance cost ng Honda Civic? Nabasa ko po kasi na mahal daw po ang spare parts nyan.
ReplyDeleteanother topic lang din sir. nag reresearch po ako about sa Ford Ranger wildtrak 2016 magkano po kaya maintenance cost nun mahal din po ba mga spare parts nun? Salamat po
Magkano po kaya maintenance cost ng Honda Civic at Ford Ranger wildtrak every year? Thank you po.
DeleteGo with Mazda, 3 years free servicing. Super panalo
DeleteTry asking sa Service department ng dealership.
DeleteHondas need servicing twice a year lang, unlike the usual 3-4 visits annually for other brands.
I think yung 'mahal piyesa ng Honda' is a myth. If you compare maintenance costs pag strictly casa, wala masyado difference.
Kaya nasasabi ng tao na mura yung iba (i.e. Toyota) is because may alternative sources for parts - fake parts, salvaged parts, carnap parts, etc. And kaya maraming alternative kasi mas ubiquitous ang iba kaysa Honda.
what are the significant changes in this 2017 model?
ReplyDeleteSo changes to when it was first launched.
DeleteHi, I would like to ask. If you had a budget of 1.1M-ish, sir Uly, what would you get? The recently updated Toyota Altis (1.6V) or this, the Honda Civic (1.8E)? Thank you for your input, Sir Uly. I'm deciding what to get between the two.
ReplyDeleteOverall? Go Civic.
Deletei'm having the same dilemma, sir uly can you point out some pros and cons between the two and why choose the civic over the altis. thank you!
DeleteHi Sir Uly. Which is better to get Honda Civic (1.8E) or Honda BRV 1.5 Navi? Almost the same price.
ReplyDeletedepends on how you want to get laid. planning on getting laid out of town with a female barkada? get the BRV then. going to clubs to pick up chicks? get the civic.
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Delete1.8e or rs? Cant decide..or maybe mazda3 2.0
ReplyDeleteHi Uly, what's the best color for this variant?
ReplyDeletesir uly which is more fuel efficient between civic 1.8 or the mazda 2.0? how about the cost of maintaing these cars after five years?
ReplyDeletemazda is more fuel efficient i have read sir uly previous article regarding the PMS and fuel cost of civic and other competitors
DeleteDont know what u r talking about.only have mobilio but even with it doesnt hear any unusual sounds, even in rough roads. So i can just imagine wth civic
ReplyDeletefactor in resale value. between 1.8 civic and mazda 3 2.0.
ReplyDeletewhat would be the wise choice?
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DeleteYou'll be wholeheartedly happy with the Mazda 3 2.0, not the same case with the Civic 1.8E. Test drive both cars and see for yourself. Would you sacrifice a bit of resale value for your everyday satisfaction for your car?
DeleteJust sharing: (Few weeks ago) Had a hard time getting the RS from my dealer, since they informed me that they are still waiting for deliveries from their plant, nonetheless got me listed for the queue. Then they informed me recently that there will be an increase this coming July on their prices despite having ordered it before the said date. Cutting the story short, I opted to purchase the black 1.8E Navi edition of the 2017 Civic instead.
ReplyDeleteI considered what you've said in this article that "the 1.8E is more than enough" -and yes, since I have to admit it will be more for city driving, I thought it was a good choice. Since I wasn't able to get the RS which i initially liked bec. of it's exterior, I had the front grills converted to that of the RS and even had the RS spoiler added to my 1.8E Navi model, for free (from my dealer). (RS emblem would be too TH, hehe)
how to get the RS spoiler for free?
DeleteHi, would you mind letting us know which dealer you got the front grills and wing type spoiler? Planning to get the civic 1.8 as well. Thanks in advance
DeleteHi! I have been planning to get this car but am having second thoughts because of its ride height. Sir Uly, care to give feedback on how it drives through speed bumps and unpaved roads?
ReplyDeleteAnd flash floods are all over the metro during rainy season, should I go with an HR-V instead?
I've driven the Civic 1.8 E through various driveways, inclines, and humps...I've never had any issues with scraping. You can indeed go with the HR-V, but you'll be sacrificing the handling and fun-to-drive character for that increased height.
DeleteSir, Between Civic 1.8E and City VX+, which one is better? Planning to purchase my first car next month.
ReplyDeleteIf you can spring for the additional price, the Civic 1.8 E would be the more well-balanced choice. Though the VX+ is tempting because it's fully loaded, the Civic is just a better drive, roomier, and more flexible.
DeleteThank you very much for the reply Sir Uly. i will go for the Civic 1.8E instead. Have a nice day sir.
DeleteHi. I am planning to buy civic 1.8 e soon. What color is the bestseller? thank you.
ReplyDeleteHi sir Uly, i bought my civic 1.8 2017 just a month ago and my dealer told me that the city driving mileage of that model is 11km/L and 16km/L on highway dirving. However, the best that i can get was 7km/L all the time. Should I have it checked or is it just a normal consumption? Thanks
ReplyDeleteDealers often bloat fuel economy figures. I'm sure they'll tell you that they were done under certain conditions such as light traffic, etc. etc.
DeleteWhen I had the Civic 1.8 E, I did around 8 km/L in city traffic...so your 7 km/L is within the acceptable margin. Expect your mileage to improve as your engine "breaks in."
Sir Uly, what fuel would you recommend for this one? Also, is it okay to mix fuel provider? (Shell, Petron, Caltex)
ReplyDeleteSir Uly, im planning on buying my first car, honda civic, by the end of the year. are there any upcoming 2018 versions to wait for just like the crv and city? also sir what are the other expenses i should be aware of (e.g insurance, maintenance) I would really appreciate if you can give me a ballpark estimate of how much it will cost. I am really dead set on buying a honda civic. better compacts in that price range with the same if not better design. i think there are none. :(
ReplyDelete^Same. I've been doing some research and there's definitely gonna be more money needed to spend for insurance and maintenance but I'm as clueless as you are with a legit estimate. Looking forward to the response on this.
Deleteshould i wait for the 2018 refresh? hopefully it will be up for order before the year ends. I don't want buy a car in 2018 when the new excise tax is in full swing. also this car is almost a year older now right? will it be wise to buy this one before the year ends considering the 2018 variant will not be released?
DeleteHi hopefully you get to see this but our car, a Mazda 2 R, has the european/us version of the navigation software. We bought it from a source within the Mazda2ners club. Try looking for one yourself, it’s miles better than that cheap 3rd party one they sell you from the dealership. Good luck!
ReplyDeleteAno pong mas maganda 1.5 RS turbo or 1.8 CVT anong main difference ng dala wa. I need feed back ASAP
ReplyDeletemga sirs magandang araw po! tanong lang, ang 1.8E CVT civic meron po ba modulo kit? incase maron, meron ba sya spoiler?
ReplyDeleteHi, will this be a good family car? We have 2 kids, both below 2 yrs old. Im choosing between hilux and civic since their prices only have a 100k+ diff. I know they are from diff segments but would like to know your opinion on having a pick up or a sedan, particularly civic, as a family car. Which costs more to maintain? More comfortable ride? Provides ample space for kids’ strollers and some groceries? thanks in advance!
ReplyDeleteWhat Color is this? Is this black? But as seen in Honda Ph's website,there's no black color for the Civic
ReplyDeleteMidnight Burgundy. It’s like a very dark red or violet.
DeleteAsk ko lang po Sir Uly, So what's more fuel efficient between the base model and RS Turbo? I'm torn between the two. What is more bang for the buck?
ReplyDeleteHonestly, the 1.8 is more than enough car. Actually you’ll only want the RS if you want power or you do a lot of highway driving. Fuel economy is more or less the same between the two.
DeleteSir Uly ask ko lang po ahm marunong po ba kayo mag tagalog bcoz im confussed kng anu po citizen ninyo.
ReplyDeleteSiyempre marunong. Pinoy naman ako hehehe.
DeleteSir Uly ask ko lang po ahm marunong po ba kayo mag tagalog bcoz im confussed kng anu po citizen ninyo.
ReplyDeleteTsaka ask ko narin po if sa sobrang lapad po ni civic compare to other car dipo ba mahirap sya i manouver or isingit kc baka sumabit ang bumper or garage gate.
ReplyDeleteActually sa experience ko hindi naman siya sasayad. Kaya niya kahit mga typical na garage o driveway.
DeleteSir Uly, can navigation be installed in civic 1.8?
ReplyDeleteHonda launched a limited edition variant with GPS navigation installed.
DeleteI've asked HCPI before and they said it cannot be retrofitted, however, I won't be surprised if there's a hack for it. The 1.8 already has a GPS antenna installed...all it needs likely is the app and map.
Is the civic good for hilly areas and rough terrain or the rocks hit the bottom of the car and is it like good in up hill
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