The advantages that the Civic RS has over the V Turbo HR-V is the independent DW rear suspension, 2 more airbags, better audio system (13-speaker Bose), full digital instrument cluster, powered driver's seat, longer wheelbase, presumably better ride & handling. HR-V has a higher ground clearance, ULT rear seats, Hill Descent Control (not sure if that feature made it in the local modelbm, I'm basing it on what I've read about the Asean model), useful for added engine braking w/o cooking the brakes when going down Kennon Road, for example.

Yah, I think most people should get the V HR-V over the RS Civic.

Looks like even the powered, hands-free, kick sensor activated rear hatch opening didn't make it for the local model as well. Dunno if there's a market for an RS variant at around 1.75M later on. At that point people should just get the CR-V.

If you want a practical car, get the HRV turbo. If you enjoy driving, get the Civic.

Yeah agree. Practicality Vs Performance. IMO comparing the Civic against the Hrv is a disservice to the famed nameplate. The Civic is the sensible version of the CRV. How much ground clearance does one really need? Between these cars only an Inch over? Parang bato lang difference tas penalized kana on everything else (maintainance etc) CIVIC hands down vs HRV no question

Funnily enough that same engine will also power the upcoming BRV which is even bigger.

Should have skipped the Turbo and just offered e:Hev.

Who would buy a 5-seater subcompact softroader hybrid at 2M+? Even the RS variant was already considered too expensive for the local market. V Turbo is enough. I'd get it over the RS Civic.

Corolla cross is priced competitively at 1.6M. It could have been a good alternative.

The Hybrid costs 360K PhP more than the very barebones 1.8G variant which doesn't even have half the features of the base model HR-V S. An RS variant would easily cost 200K more than V variant going by the price delta between the Civics. An e:HEV would easily cross the 2M mark already. So no go. You can already get the same efficiency w/ none of the drawbacks by getting a diesel crossover at that price range.

That's a weird way of guesstimating the possible price.


Or just do it the easy way of converting the hrv hybrid prices of Thailand. The country where we source most of our Hondas anyway. Looks like it will fall around 1.5-1.6M anyway.

Question is why Honda PH is not offering hybrids. They ain't ready to service hybrids yet? Market study points to the market more interested in HP than efficiency?

Huh? V variant is already 1.6M genius. Weird way of discounting local taxes, import tariffs, freight charges, head office & dealer margins. I bet if they brought the e:HEV variant you whiners would be complaining about its price, maintenance & battery expenses, ehy not just get the diesel CR-V, yada-yada...

It's at 1.6M because of the turbo dumb dumb. Heck if it's at 1.7-1.8M but TOTL e;Hev it ain't gon be so bad.

My point is that the Corolla cross hybrid needs a competitor.

No point arguing, just read they will release the e:Hev soon. We'll know by then.

LOL. Don't you think their product planners haven't made that calculation already. Weird way of thinking you know more than them. And the price delta between the V & S is not just due to the engine weirdo dumb4ss, can't you read a spec sheet. Weird fetish for hybrids when it's always been an interim technology.

Checking the pricing of neighbouring countries where it's almost the same. Dumb dumb they ain't adding hybrid on top of the turbo. It will use a diff engine of course.

I'm commenting coz I'm in the market for as subcompact, nice try dumb dumb.

So you think HCPI should have released an e:HEV variant instead of a V Turbo variant at 1.6M? Lulz. Thank God you're not their product planner. It would have narrowed their pool of buyers even more. You check the prices from neighboring countries w/o thinking about differences in their tax regimes & eco car incentives, that's very dumb0tic.

No need coz they will sell the e:Hev whenever they are ready as per the interview with Honda PH. Guess who's the Dumbo now...

Why do I get this feeling that this is the same person just arguing with him/herself?

Lol, do they really have the same IP?

Uly can't see IP addresses of anonymous posters otherwise he'd know those are 2 different people. The writing styles alone are obviously different. I don't know about the other guy maybe it's Rommel the troll or Richard Joa$$ Tan the incel autist spazzer.

I was wondering the same regarding why they held-off on releasing the Hybrid. Wag nyo po ako awayin pero dahil po ba inantay nila yung EV LAW?

No matter how we may hate the added complications of electronics, it's the better alternative than destroying the planet

I fully agree.
If the BR-V w the 1.5 engine will be released, then there's no reason to purchase the HR-V w the same engine.

HR-V will be a lot more refined than the 3rd-world focused BR-V. BR-V will be much more practical for most, but the base HR-V still has a decent sizeable market.

Which Cross, the Corolla? Their 1.8G base model is so underspecced no one is buying it. That interior is cr4p for a 1.3M car. Hybrid is way more expensive & no one is ready to deal w/ the inevitable hybrid maintenance hassle. Engine & tranny is unexciting as well.

Effect of China brands, they are now selling at reasonable prices.

Haha, I agree. Not sure abt the long-term quality yet, but Chinese brands are simply forcing the mainstream brands to OFFER MORE and NOT OVERPRICE.

This is my shortlist as well. Each with their own strong points. Add Corolla Cross Hybrid too at 1.6M.

French badge is a feature?

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I may not know your specific criteria and priorities but off the bat I choose the HRV.

If you need a luxurious 7 seater at an affordable price then I would go for Tiggo 8.

Lol. Bragging rights for having a "European Car".
Anyway HRV for me. I just bought the Honda Civic RS, I love driving it but that HRV would also be nice.

I saw the all new Tiggo 8 Pro at MIAS - I kid you not I almost puked by its interior's putrid smell when I opened its door. Not a good sign for a brand new car. Or perhaps I'm just sensitive.

Those who "need" 7-seats won't consider 5-seaters, those who only need 5 seats don't care for larger vehicles esp. in traffic-clogged city streets & tiny parking lots. So those considering an HR-V won't care about larger Chinese 7-seaters no matter how cheap they are.

Have you asked "Tayota" how much a replacement battery pack costs?

Toyota reliability and durability you say? The just recently launched
Toyota raize just had 15,000 recalls last month for a very critical suspension welding issue.

Bruh,it's Daihatsu problem, not Toyota

It's manufactured by Astra Daihatsu Motors in Indonesia, but Toyota chose to market the car as a Toyota, you can't really blame consumers for judging a Daihatsu car as a Toyota. Toyota can only blame themselves for ending up in this situation.

Lol when it's going good, wow Toyota. When it goes bad, well it's a Daihatsu. 😆 Just your typical Toyota apologist right there folks

Hill Descent, yes; LaneWatch no.

Most of it went to the turbo engine, yes. But the V Turbo CVT also has leather steering/seats, interior has more padded material too. That's the reason they're looking at an almost even split in buyers...people who want turbo will go turbo, those who don't, or just need a commuter, there's the S CVT.

Okay, let's assume 50k for the leather seats, 30k for the 'additional padding'. 268k just to slap a turbo on the 1.5 liter engine? Sounds like a scam to me.

Once again, Third world specs at first world prices. Cheers Honda PH. This patten reminds me of how a local distributor of a Korean car brand screwed it all.

*pattern

Or they might offer a discount after a month or two, if buyers won't bite just like the new Civic.

It's their defense mechanism.

Honda PH doesn't see their Civic as a volume seller anyway, so they're probably paying more attention to their crossovers strategic positioning (and I say, the new HR-V was priced right—aggressively.)

Ford Territory sucks according to Uly's review. Ignore the Youtuberos, they never criticize anything since they're afraid of not getting invited to future car launches & junkets. If you wanna go Chanis-style-just-add-one-egg then just get the Coolray & sell it before the warranty expires.